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Bach phrasing
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Dirk
2006-03-26 01:38:01 UTC
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My uncle was a Bach organist in Antwerp (Belgium) and I remember as a
boy standing behind him, mesmerised, when he gave concerts in the
cathedral. I myself am a pianist and explore various fields, such as
jazz, funk, country, African, ... but I always come back to Bach,
relearning the pieces each time, playing them in different ways ...
One great way to get a Bach work 'under your fingers' is to play them
with different accentuation, e.g. in a 3/8 work play them both with
accentuation 'di dah di' and 'dah di dah'. It's amazing how the
different phrasing changes the character of the piece.
I recall reading one book in particular ... written by a friend of one
of Bach's sons (I think Johann Christian) ... He gives a great account
of his father's technique... I remember especially the observation that
he played every note with certainty, that really sums up a good Bach
performance: every note should be learned so well that it sounds
convincing.
He also used to teach his pupils by giving them nothing but finger
exercises at first. Only after he was satisfied with their dexterity
would he commence the real teaching...

Andras Shiff, a Bach performer said that the Well Tempered Clavier
was/is every composer's bible (including Mozart's and Beethoven's).
Every morning he (Andras) would wake up and play some preludes and
fuges from it and it would be like a 'breath of fresh air' ...
s***@gol.com
2006-03-26 02:48:19 UTC
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"Andras Shiff, a Bach performer said that the Well Tempered Clavier
was/is every composer's bible (including Mozart's and Beethoven's). "

This was an interesting post.

I've been getting back into Early Music after some time now, and I'm
looking around for a good reference work for the WTC.

My tastes run to HIP (no piano), though I am open to all suggestions.

While I'm at it, I'm also looking for a good reference work for the Art
of the Fugue. I understand there are many approaches to this work, and
I may want to examine them later, but I'm looking for something basic
to get familiar with it first before branching out.

Thanks for any ideas.

- BS
Dirk
2006-03-26 08:31:13 UTC
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There's lots of information about Bach on the www. Try the Wikipedia
website (scores, essays, samples, ...):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Compositions_by_Johann_Sebastian_Bach

The art of the fugue, Bach's last work, is a collection of fugues that
illustrates the different types of fugue. It doesn't elaborate - even
the scoring is plain; no tempo, dynamics, instrumentation, finger
positions ... nothing ... you'll have to work all that out yourself (as
is the case with most of Bach's music).

I'm particularly fond of the Goldberg Variations, which is a theme and
its variations (it is debatable that Bach actually wrote the theme
itself as it is somewhat out of character ... it might have been a
'pop' tune of the day ... My favourite variation is the 'canon a la
septima'.

As publications are concerned, the 'Bach Gesellschaft Edition' is the
most officially regarded edition. There's also Peeters.
s***@gol.com
2006-03-26 10:13:01 UTC
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Hi, Dirk, thanks for that information.

However, I must apologize for not making myself clearer.

I'm looking for reference recordings, not books or scores.

Any suggestions?

- BS
Sybrand Bakker
2006-03-26 13:33:49 UTC
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Post by s***@gol.com
Hi, Dirk, thanks for that information.
However, I must apologize for not making myself clearer.
I'm looking for reference recordings, not books or scores.
Any suggestions?
- BS
If you like austere Leonhardt. Recording from the 70s but still in
print. Koopman has recorded it too on Erato, but Koopman is a quite
different player. Moroney has recorded it for Virgin.

Sybrand Bakker

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Martin Hruschka
2006-03-26 14:52:05 UTC
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Post by s***@gol.com
I'm looking for reference recordings, not books or scores.
Any suggestions?
Regarding organ: take a look at Hans Fagius. Really great - and nowadays
cheap also..

Martin
Sybrand Bakker
2006-03-26 13:31:44 UTC
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Post by Dirk
There's lots of information about Bach on the www. Try the Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Compositions_by_Johann_Sebastian_Bach
The art of the fugue, Bach's last work, is a collection of fugues that
illustrates the different types of fugue. It doesn't elaborate - even
the scoring is plain; no tempo, dynamics, instrumentation, finger
positions ... nothing ... you'll have to work all that out yourself (as
is the case with most of Bach's music).
The Art of Fugue is for harpsichord. Gustav Leonhardt demonstrates
this quite clearly in his thesis (1954, abstracted in the liner notes
for his AoF recording).
Also the Art of Fugue is, according to Wolff, not Bach's last work.
Post by Dirk
I'm particularly fond of the Goldberg Variations, which is a theme and
its variations (it is debatable that Bach actually wrote the theme
itself as it is somewhat out of character ... it might have been a
'pop' tune of the day ... My favourite variation is the 'canon a la
septima'.
As publications are concerned, the 'Bach Gesellschaft Edition' is the
most officially regarded edition. There's also Peeters.
The Bachgesellschaft Edition is replaced by the Neue Bach Ausgabe and
has not been available since WWII.

Sybrand Bakker

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Thomas Wood
2006-03-26 18:24:58 UTC
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Post by Sybrand Bakker
The Bachgesellschaft Edition is replaced by the Neue Bach Ausgabe and
has not been available since WWII.
Sybrand Bakker
..although many parts of it, including the Art of Fugue, have been
republished by Dover and others ... and now the entire old BG is available
on CD and DVD-ROM:

http://www.cdsheetmusic.com/Digital.htm

Tom Wood
s***@gol.com
2006-03-27 02:19:23 UTC
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Has anyone heard the Robert Hill version of the AOF? If so, what did
you think of it?

Thanks.

- BS
Zach
2006-03-28 23:26:01 UTC
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Post by s***@gol.com
Has anyone heard the Robert Hill version of the AOF? If so, what did
you think of it?
I have recording of Hill playing the P&Fs and really liked it.

Zach

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