What is "BWV 1127"<sic>

[Arthur Ness]

What is "BWV 1127"<sic> "Alles von Gott und nicht ohn' ihn."

My BWV (1950 ed.) does not go that high, and I can't find the title in the
alphabetical list of titles. It seems to be for soprano with viols. But I
heard at least one section with organ continuo. It's about 20 verses long.

[John Briggs]

Post by Arthur Ness
What is "BWV 1127"<sic> "Alles von Gott und nicht ohn' ihn."
My BWV (1950 ed.) does not go that high, and I can't find the title
in the alphabetical list of titles. It seems to be for soprano with
viols. But I heard at least one section with organ continuo. It's
about 20 verses long.

I only have the Hanssler/Bachakademie Millenium Edition listing - that goes
up to BWV 1126. So, it didn't exist six years ago :-)

[Sybrand Bakker]

On Thu, 25 May 2006 15:11:39 GMT, "Arthur Ness"

Post by Arthur Ness
What is "BWV 1127"<sic> "Alles von Gott und nicht ohn' ihn."
My BWV (1950 ed.) does not go that high, and I can't find the title in the
alphabetical list of titles. It seems to be for soprano with viols. But I
heard at least one section with organ continuo. It's about 20 verses long.

You didn't read any newspaper or music magazine in the last year
regarding the finding in the Weimar library? Shame on you!
You could have hardly missed it!! There was a real race for the first
recording which was claimed by JE Gardiner!!!


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[Arthur Ness]

Oh, that's it. Yes, I recall the discovery. The race for the first
recording has apparently been "won" by a collegium in Japan.

Isn't there some controversy whether it is actually by Bach? Do you
remember, what werethe circumstances of its discovery?

Thanks for the info.
=========================================

Post by Sybrand Bakker
On Thu, 25 May 2006 15:11:39 GMT, "Arthur Ness"

Post by Arthur Ness
What is "BWV 1127"<sic> "Alles von Gott und nicht ohn' ihn."
My BWV (1950 ed.) does not go that high, and I can't find the title in the
alphabetical list of titles. It seems to be for soprano with viols. But I
heard at least one section with organ continuo. It's about 20 verses long.

You didn't read any newspaper or music magazine in the last year
regarding the finding in the Weimar library? Shame on you!
You could have hardly missed it!! There was a real race for the first
recording which was claimed by JE Gardiner!!!
Sybrand Bakker
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[Arthur Ness]

I thought it was just a single sheet.And I understand now how that might be.
It has twelve verses, but all are sung to the same music.

I can't say it's Bach's best. So it really doesn't matter who won Bakker's
race.
==========================================

Post by Arthur Ness
Oh, that's it. Yes, I recall the discovery. The race for the first
recording has apparently been "won" by a collegium in Japan.
Isn't there some controversy whether it is actually by Bach? Do you
remember, what werethe circumstances of its discovery?
Thanks for the info.
=========================================

Post by Sybrand Bakker
On Thu, 25 May 2006 15:11:39 GMT, "Arthur Ness"

Post by Arthur Ness
What is "BWV 1127"<sic> "Alles von Gott und nicht ohn' ihn."
My BWV (1950 ed.) does not go that high, and I can't find the title in the
alphabetical list of titles. It seems to be for soprano with viols. But I
heard at least one section with organ continuo. It's about 20 verses long.

You didn't read any newspaper or music magazine in the last year
regarding the finding in the Weimar library? Shame on you!
You could have hardly missed it!! There was a real race for the first
recording which was claimed by JE Gardiner!!!
Sybrand Bakker
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[Sybrand Bakker]

On Thu, 25 May 2006 16:25:09 GMT, "Arthur Ness"

Post by Arthur Ness
I thought it was just a single sheet.And I understand now how that might be.
It has twelve verses, but all are sung to the same music.
I can't say it's Bach's best. So it really doesn't matter who won Bakker's
race.

It does matter as JEG only recorded the first 2 verses.

Could you *PLEASE* refrain from top-posting?

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[Arthur Ness]

That's not a fair race. Only a sixth of the piece made it over the finish
line.

Or are you saying, a little bad bach is better bach? Let's cut it down to
the
first two notes, then it'd be bach's very best ever.

You wrote, >>>The effort to cut the irrelevant part is minimal and can
be accomplished by a few keystrokes, even by those who suffer from
Bill Gates III and his Evil Empire.<<<

And who's Bill Gates III and the Evil Empire? What irrelevant part?

Somewhere I've lost you, Bakker.

But I now know what BWV 1127 is, and my question has been answered, thanks
to John Briggs. Thanks John!

============================================

Post by Sybrand Bakker
On Thu, 25 May 2006 16:25:09 GMT, "Arthur Ness"

Post by Arthur Ness
I thought it was just a single sheet.And I understand now how that might be.
It has twelve verses, but all are sung to the same music.
I can't say it's Bach's best. So it really doesn't matter who won Bakker's
race.

It does matter as JEG only recorded the first 2 verses.
Could you *PLEASE* refrain from top-posting?
Sybrand Bakker
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[Sybrand Bakker]

On Thu, 25 May 2006 20:09:27 GMT, "Arthur Ness"

Post by Arthur Ness
That's not a fair race. Only a sixth of the piece made it over the finish
line.
Or are you saying, a little bad bach is better bach? Let's cut it down to
the
first two notes, then it'd be bach's very best ever.

I'm saying that the right for the first recording shouldn't have been
given to JEG, if he didn't want to record the work in full.
The days of cuts in the MP are long gone.

Post by Arthur Ness
You wrote, >>>The effort to cut the irrelevant part is minimal and can
be accomplished by a few keystrokes, even by those who suffer from
Bill Gates III and his Evil Empire.<<<
And who's Bill Gates III and the Evil Empire? What irrelevant part?

Bill Gates is the founder of Microsoft. Microsoft is the Evil Empire
(known from the Lord of the Ring) as it wants to put everyone into
slavery to Microsoft.

Post by Arthur Ness
Somewhere I've lost you, Bakker.

It is obviously very difficult for you to adhere to Netiquette, isn't
it, Ness? Your lack of civility is beginning to show.
Why do you insist on top-posting and repeating the entire message.
Repetitive Strain Injury? Fundamentally lazy? Not being aware local
phonelines are not free everywhere in the world? Or are you just a
jerk?
Inquisitive minds want to know!

Post by Arthur Ness
But I now know what BWV 1127 is, and my question has been answered, thanks
to John Briggs. Thanks John!

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[Arthur Ness]

I was wondering when you would resort to name-calling. Didn't have to wait
long, did I? Bye.
===============================================

Post by Sybrand Bakker
On Thu, 25 May 2006 20:09:27 GMT, "Arthur Ness"

Post by Arthur Ness
That's not a fair race. Only a sixth of the piece made it over the finish
line.
Or are you saying, a little bad bach is better bach? Let's cut it down to
the
first two notes, then it'd be bach's very best ever.

I'm saying that the right for the first recording shouldn't have been
given to JEG, if he didn't want to record the work in full.
The days of cuts in the MP are long gone.

Post by Arthur Ness
You wrote, >>>The effort to cut the irrelevant part is minimal and can
be accomplished by a few keystrokes, even by those who suffer from
Bill Gates III and his Evil Empire.<<<
And who's Bill Gates III and the Evil Empire? What irrelevant part?

Bill Gates is the founder of Microsoft. Microsoft is the Evil Empire
(known from the Lord of the Ring) as it wants to put everyone into
slavery to Microsoft.

Post by Arthur Ness
Somewhere I've lost you, Bakker.

It is obviously very difficult for you to adhere to Netiquette, isn't
it, Ness? Your lack of civility is beginning to show.
Why do you insist on top-posting and repeating the entire message.
Repetitive Strain Injury? Fundamentally lazy? Not being aware local
phonelines are not free everywhere in the world? Or are you just a
jerk?
Inquisitive minds want to know!

Post by Arthur Ness
But I now know what BWV 1127 is, and my question has been answered, thanks
to John Briggs. Thanks John!

Sybrand Bakker
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[pat marson]

Post by Sybrand Bakker
It is obviously very difficult for you to adhere to Netiquette, isn't
it, Ness? Your lack of civility is beginning to show.
Why do you insist on top-posting and repeating the entire message.
Repetitive Strain Injury? Fundamentally lazy? Not being aware local
phonelines are not free everywhere in the world? Or are you just a
jerk?

Anyone who allows themselves to be so consumed by someone
who merely has the habit of top-posting that they take the time
to repeatedly ask them to stop is clearly the unfortunate victim
of an obsessive disorder of substantial proportion.

Poor Sybrand. It must be utter HELL trying to be the one
to correct all the little things in the world that he feels need
correcting. I'm sure it is he that has driven himself crazy.
He adds new dimensions to the term anal-retentive.

I'll bet you get REALLY mad when someone moves something
on your desk, eh Bakker?

Post by Sybrand Bakker
Inquisitive minds want to know!

No - obsessive/retentive minds want to know. Nobody
else gives a flying fuck.

[Brad Lehman]

Post by Arthur Ness
What is "BWV 1127"<sic> "Alles von Gott und nicht ohn' ihn."
My BWV (1950 ed.) does not go that high, and I can't find the title in the
alphabetical list of titles. It seems to be for soprano with viols. But I
heard at least one section with organ continuo. It's about 20 verses long.

Allegedly, Suzuki's ensemble has recorded the whole thing. I haven't
heard that recording, but some others.

A nice perk of belonging to the American Bach Society:
http://www.americanbachsociety.org/
All of us automatically received a copy of BWV 1127 a few months ago,
as soon as it was available in the NBA's offprint series (light blue
cover). The edition is Barenreiter #5246, published 2005, including a
pull-out page of facsimile.


Bradley Lehman
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