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Two incredible fugues in the style of Bach
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Ioannis
2006-01-16 17:52:12 UTC
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The best fugues in the style of Bach I have heard so far:

The "Inexhaustible" Gigue-Fugue:
http://ioannis.virtualcomposer2000.com/music/Inexhaustible.html (10.5MB
.mp3)
http://www.virtualcomposer2000.com/MP3/Inexhaustible.mp3 (direct link)

The "Perpetual Motion" Fugue:
http://ioannis.virtualcomposer2000.com/music/PerpetualMotionFugue.html
(5.25MB .mp3)
http://www.virtualcomposer2000.com/MP3/PerpetualMotionFugue.mp3 (direct
link)

Composer: Ludwig Korelli
Webpage: http://newbaroque.net/

This person is imnsho the closest one has come to Bach's style.

Enjoy,
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Ioannis --- http://ioannis.virtualcomposer2000.com/
John L. Grant
2006-01-16 19:35:40 UTC
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Post by Ioannis
http://ioannis.virtualcomposer2000.com/music/Inexhaustible.html (10.5MB
.mp3)
http://www.virtualcomposer2000.com/MP3/Inexhaustible.mp3 (direct link)
http://ioannis.virtualcomposer2000.com/music/PerpetualMotionFugue.html
(5.25MB .mp3)
http://www.virtualcomposer2000.com/MP3/PerpetualMotionFugue.mp3 (direct
link)
Composer: Ludwig Korelli
Webpage: http://newbaroque.net/
This person is imnsho the closest one has come to Bach's style.
Enjoy,
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Ioannis --- http://ioannis.virtualcomposer2000.com/
Yes. Very interesting indeed. How was/is it done?

JG
Ioannis
2006-01-16 20:37:35 UTC
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Post by John L. Grant
Post by Ioannis
http://ioannis.virtualcomposer2000.com/music/Inexhaustible.html (10.5MB
.mp3)
http://www.virtualcomposer2000.com/MP3/Inexhaustible.mp3 (direct link)
http://ioannis.virtualcomposer2000.com/music/PerpetualMotionFugue.html
(5.25MB .mp3)
http://www.virtualcomposer2000.com/MP3/PerpetualMotionFugue.mp3 (direct
link)
Composer: Ludwig Korelli
Webpage: http://newbaroque.net/
This person is imnsho the closest one has come to Bach's style.
Enjoy,
--
Ioannis --- http://ioannis.virtualcomposer2000.com/
Yes. Very interesting indeed. How was/is it done?
From what I gather so far, he uses Encore. The particular virtual organ
might be an organ SoundFont.
Post by John L. Grant
JG
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John L. Grant
2006-01-17 15:37:15 UTC
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Post by Ioannis
Post by John L. Grant
Post by Ioannis
http://ioannis.virtualcomposer2000.com/music/Inexhaustible.html (10.5MB
.mp3)
http://www.virtualcomposer2000.com/MP3/Inexhaustible.mp3 (direct link)
http://ioannis.virtualcomposer2000.com/music/PerpetualMotionFugue.html
(5.25MB .mp3)
http://www.virtualcomposer2000.com/MP3/PerpetualMotionFugue.mp3 (direct
link)
Composer: Ludwig Korelli
Webpage: http://newbaroque.net/
This person is imnsho the closest one has come to Bach's style.
Enjoy,
--
Ioannis --- http://ioannis.virtualcomposer2000.com/
Yes. Very interesting indeed. How was/is it done?
From what I gather so far, he uses Encore. The particular virtual organ
might be an organ SoundFont.
Post by John L. Grant
JG
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Ioannis --- http://ioannis.virtualcomposer2000.com/
I have no trouble with the length of the fugues. I think, though,
that a good rendering of the midi file would produce something much
better than the hard-to-listen-to organ sample he employs. Also, the
midi-trills, etc., would have to go. I'd love to have a go at one of
his midi files.

JG
Ioannis
2006-01-17 17:04:18 UTC
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Post by John L. Grant
Post by Ioannis
From what I gather so far, he uses Encore. The particular virtual organ
might be an organ SoundFont.
JG
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Ioannis --- http://ioannis.virtualcomposer2000.com/
I have no trouble with the length of the fugues. I think, though,
that a good rendering of the midi file would produce something much
better than the hard-to-listen-to organ sample he employs.
Also, the
midi-trills, etc., would have to go. I'd love to have a go at one of
his midi files.
http://www.kunstderfuge.com/new/korelli.htm

Also, check his webpage for more samples, posted on the first article,
above.

The samples above are MIDI, although I don't much agree with his choice of
instruments.

The samples in his webpage,

http://newbaroque.net/music.htm

I think are simply MIDI->.wav->.mp3.

Check the Prelude Opus 45 in Em. (third link). Fantastic.
Post by John L. Grant
JG
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**©©
2006-01-16 19:51:07 UTC
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Well - he certainly deserves congrats. Clearly much work
went into these fugues. The first has some problems, imo -
firstly, it's title notwithstanding, it is WAY too long. I found my
attention wandering about 2 minutes in. Also, the 4-voice
texture is very dense. The piece is very actively rhythmically, and
with that many voices it gets cluttered and confusing. I would
have gone with 3 voices, tops. Two voices would be ideal
for such a theme as this - the interplay would be much clearer.
But the main problem is its length. It's a nice subject, and I'd
love to hear it put through it's paces in a 2-voice texture.

That said, I appreciate the work he put into this - I've tried
writing fugues, and it is no cakewalk.
Ioannis
2006-01-16 20:35:13 UTC
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Post by **©©
Well - he certainly deserves congrats. Clearly much work
went into these fugues. The first has some problems, imo -
firstly, it's title notwithstanding, it is WAY too long. I found my
attention wandering about 2 minutes in.
I can detect that it
has at least 7 sections. He first develops using the direct theme, then
develops with what
appears to be a variant of the theme, then goes back and develops using the
original theme. Then he starts a new development using the inverted theme
(mirrored around the x-axis), goes back to the direct theme, then he has
what appears to be a cadence and finally he returns with the original
theme embelished with what appears to be the inverted theme!

I would classify it as a brilliant work of art. Its complexity is
phenomenal. His episodes
are beautiful. His transitions are smooth. His modulation is simply
exquisite.
Post by **©©
Also, the 4-voice
texture is very dense. The piece is very actively rhythmically, and
with that many voices it gets cluttered and confusing. I would
have gone with 3 voices, tops. Two voices would be ideal
for such a theme as this - the interplay would be much clearer.
But the main problem is its length. It's a nice subject, and I'd
love to hear it put through it's paces in a 2-voice texture.
It took me 30 listens to appreciate it fully. Once you familiarize yourself
with it, I think you'll change your mind a bit, but to each his own :-)
Post by **©©
That said, I appreciate the work he put into this - I've tried
writing fugues, and it is no cakewalk.
--
Ioannis --- http://ioannis.virtualcomposer2000.com/
j***@yahoo.com
2006-01-17 17:48:34 UTC
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Post by **©©
Well - he certainly deserves congrats. Clearly much work
went into these fugues. The first has some problems, imo -
firstly, it's title notwithstanding, it is WAY too long. I found my
attention wandering about 2 minutes in. Also, the 4-voice
texture is very dense. The piece is very actively rhythmically, and
with that many voices it gets cluttered and confusing. I would
have gone with 3 voices, tops. Two voices would be ideal
for such a theme as this - the interplay would be much clearer.
But the main problem is its length. It's a nice subject, and I'd
love to hear it put through it's paces in a 2-voice texture.
That said, I appreciate the work he put into this - I've tried
writing fugues, and it is no cakewalk.
Some people seem to think once you have the subject it is 90% finished
- the rest is just applying the formula. I agree it is something you
have to do first to understand.

Jimmy Boy

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