Discussion:
Scientists May Have Found Mozart's Skull
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Zach
2006-01-03 21:57:38 UTC
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Thought lists members may enjoy this. On a tangential note: does
anyone know where I can read the latest analysis of Bach's bones? Has
a forensic anthropologist tried to do a reconstruction of what Bach's
face looked like? I saw a program on the Learning Channel where a team
at an FBI crime lab reconstructed what a person may have looked like
using computer modeling software and the assistance of a forensic
anthropologist.

SDG,
Zach

By WILLIAM J. KOLE, Associated Press Writer Tue Jan 3, 1:04 PM ET

VIENNA, Austria - Have scientists found Mozart's skull? Researchers
said Tuesday they'll reveal the results of DNA tests in a documentary
film airing this weekend on Austrian television as part of a year of
celebratory events marking the composer's 250th birthday.

The tests were conducted last year by experts at the Institute for
Forensic Medicine in the alpine city of Innsbruck, and the
long-awaited results will be publicized in "Mozart: The Search for
Evidence," to be screened Sunday by state broadcaster ORF.

Past tests were inconclusive, but this time, "we succeeded in getting
a clear result," lead researcher Dr. Walther Parson, a renowned
forensic pathologist, told ORF. He said the results were "100 percent
verified" by a U.S. Army laboratory, but refused to elaborate.

The skull in question is one that for more than a century has been in
the possession of the International Mozarteum Foundation in Salzburg,
the elegant Austrian city where Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart was born on
Jan. 27, 1756.

Parson said genetic material from scrapings from the skull was
analyzed and compared to DNA samples gathered in 2004 from the thigh
bones of Mozart's maternal grandmother and a niece. The bones were
recovered when a Mozart family grave was opened in 2004 at Salzburg's
Sebastian Cemetery.

Mozart died in 1791 and was buried in a pauper's grave at Vienna's St.
Mark's Cemetery. The location of the grave was initially unknown, but
its likely location was determined in 1855.

The grave on that spot is adorned by a column and a sad-looking angel.

Legend has it that a gravedigger who knew which body was Mozart's at
some point sneaked the skull out of the grave. Through different
channels, the skull - which is missing its lower jaw - came to the
Mozarteum in Salzburg in 1902, according to Dr. Stephan Pauly, the
foundation's director.

The foundation, a private nonprofit organization that works to
preserve Mozart's legacy, was founded in 1880 by Salzburg residents
and made the skull available for the DNA tests.

The skull long has fascinated experts: In 1991, a French scholar who
examined it made the startling - though unconfirmed - conclusion
that
Mozart may have died of complications of a head injury rather than
rheumatic fever as most historians believe.

Anthropologist Pierre-Francois Puech of the University of Provence
based his belief on a fracture he found on the skull's left temple.
Mozart, he theorized, may have sustained it in a fall, and that would
help explain the severe headaches the composer was said to have
suffered more than a year before his death.

Austria has designated 2006 a Mozart jubilee year, with dozens of
events in Salzburg, Vienna and elsewhere to commemorate his 250
birthday.

___

On the Net:

International Mozarteum Foundation: http://www.mozarteum.at
Albert Z.
2006-01-03 22:32:49 UTC
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There is some information regarding Bach's exhumation of 1894 at
http://mitglied.lycos.de/RobKruijt/bachjs/bachjs06.htm but those are
old news...
Arthur Ness
2006-01-03 22:56:30 UTC
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In the 19th century when the body was exhumed from the graveyard and reinterned in the sanctuary, the head was separated and kept for several decades(?) for research purposes. It was measured and compared with the famous Haussmann portrait, and it would seem that the Haussmann portrait is a very good likeness. Perhaps better than what a forensic scientist might do.

There certainly have been lots of remains in circulation recently. Newsthisevening isthatthe DNA tests on the "Mozart" skull were positive for whatever they were attempting to prove.

Does anyone know where I can get the poster showing Mozart used to advertise the Vienna Mozart Year. It's rather funny. When you're short lived, or long lives, the anniversaries come close together. We just had a Mozart year in 1991, and already we're off on another one in 2006. Hence Mozart's expression on that poster.<g> "Not again!"


ajn.
"Zach" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message news:***@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Thought lists members may enjoy this. On a tangential note: does
anyone know where I can read the latest analysis of Bach's bones? Has
a forensic anthropologist tried to do a reconstruction of what Bach's
face looked like? I saw a program on the Learning Channel where a team
at an FBI crime lab reconstructed what a person may have looked like
using computer modeling software and the assistance of a forensic
anthropologist.

SDG,
Zach

By WILLIAM J. KOLE, Associated Press Writer Tue Jan 3, 1:04 PM ET

VIENNA, Austria - Have scientists found Mozart's skull? Researchers
said Tuesday they'll reveal the results of DNA tests in a documentary
film airing this weekend on Austrian television as part of a year of
celebratory events marking the composer's 250th birthday.

The tests were conducted last year by experts at the Institute for
Forensic Medicine in the alpine city of Innsbruck, and the
long-awaited results will be publicized in "Mozart: The Search for
Evidence," to be screened Sunday by state broadcaster ORF.

Past tests were inconclusive, but this time, "we succeeded in getting
a clear result," lead researcher Dr. Walther Parson, a renowned
forensic pathologist, told ORF. He said the results were "100 percent
verified" by a U.S. Army laboratory, but refused to elaborate.

The skull in question is one that for more than a century has been in
the possession of the International Mozarteum Foundation in Salzburg,
the elegant Austrian city where Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart was born on
Jan. 27, 1756.

Parson said genetic material from scrapings from the skull was
analyzed and compared to DNA samples gathered in 2004 from the thigh
bones of Mozart's maternal grandmother and a niece. The bones were
recovered when a Mozart family grave was opened in 2004 at Salzburg's
Sebastian Cemetery.

Mozart died in 1791 and was buried in a pauper's grave at Vienna's St.
Mark's Cemetery. The location of the grave was initially unknown, but
its likely location was determined in 1855.

The grave on that spot is adorned by a column and a sad-looking angel.

Legend has it that a gravedigger who knew which body was Mozart's at
some point sneaked the skull out of the grave. Through different
channels, the skull - which is missing its lower jaw - came to the
Mozarteum in Salzburg in 1902, according to Dr. Stephan Pauly, the
foundation's director.

The foundation, a private nonprofit organization that works to
preserve Mozart's legacy, was founded in 1880 by Salzburg residents
and made the skull available for the DNA tests.

The skull long has fascinated experts: In 1991, a French scholar who
examined it made the startling - though unconfirmed - conclusion
that
Mozart may have died of complications of a head injury rather than
rheumatic fever as most historians believe.

Anthropologist Pierre-Francois Puech of the University of Provence
based his belief on a fracture he found on the skull's left temple.
Mozart, he theorized, may have sustained it in a fall, and that would
help explain the severe headaches the composer was said to have
suffered more than a year before his death.

Austria has designated 2006 a Mozart jubilee year, with dozens of
events in Salzburg, Vienna and elsewhere to commemorate his 250
birthday.

___

On the Net:

International Mozarteum Foundation: http://www.mozarteum.at
Margaret Mikulska
2006-01-05 00:12:02 UTC
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Post by Arthur Ness
There certainly have been lots of remains in circulation recently.
Newsthisevening isthatthe DNA tests on the "Mozart" skull were positive
for whatever they were attempting to prove.
The skull turned out to have absolutely nothing to do with Mozart. One
could have expected that, knowing the story of the skull.

-MM
Arthur Ness
2006-01-05 02:33:15 UTC
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Have the results been published? In the 19th century, someone claimed it was the skull of a woman. Oh well, aside from telling us perhaps what caused his death, I really find little useful in these gruesome investigations.
Post by Arthur Ness
There certainly have been lots of remains in circulation recently.
Newsthisevening isthatthe DNA tests on the "Mozart" skull were positive
for whatever they were attempting to prove.
The skull turned out to have absolutely nothing to do with Mozart. One
could have expected that, knowing the story of the skull.

-MM
Steven Bornfeld
2006-01-05 04:40:07 UTC
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Post by Arthur Ness
In the 19th century when the body was exhumed from the graveyard and
reinterned in the sanctuary, the head was separated and kept for several
decades(?) for research purposes. It was measured and compared with the
famous Haussmann portrait, and it would seem that the Haussmann portrait
is a very good likeness. Perhaps better than what a forensic scientist
might do.
Considering what I have seen of forensic reconstructions, I expect that
it would be.

Happy New Year!

Steve
Post by Arthur Ness
There certainly have been lots of remains in circulation recently.
Newsthisevening isthatthe DNA tests on the "Mozart" skull were positive
for whatever they were attempting to prove.
Does anyone know where I can get the poster showing Mozart used to
advertise the Vienna Mozart Year. It's rather funny. When you're short
lived, or long lives, the anniversaries come close together. We just had
a Mozart year in 1991, and already we're off on another one in 2006.
Hence Mozart's expression on that poster.<g> "Not again!"
ajn.
Thought lists members may enjoy this. On a tangential note: does
anyone know where I can read the latest analysis of Bach's bones? Has
a forensic anthropologist tried to do a reconstruction of what Bach's
face looked like? I saw a program on the Learning Channel where a team
at an FBI crime lab reconstructed what a person may have looked like
using computer modeling software and the assistance of a forensic
anthropologist.
SDG,
Zach
By WILLIAM J. KOLE, Associated Press Writer Tue Jan 3, 1:04 PM ET
VIENNA, Austria - Have scientists found Mozart's skull? Researchers
said Tuesday they'll reveal the results of DNA tests in a documentary
film airing this weekend on Austrian television as part of a year of
celebratory events marking the composer's 250th birthday.
The tests were conducted last year by experts at the Institute for
Forensic Medicine in the alpine city of Innsbruck, and the
long-awaited results will be publicized in "Mozart: The Search for
Evidence," to be screened Sunday by state broadcaster ORF.
Past tests were inconclusive, but this time, "we succeeded in getting
a clear result," lead researcher Dr. Walther Parson, a renowned
forensic pathologist, told ORF. He said the results were "100 percent
verified" by a U.S. Army laboratory, but refused to elaborate.
The skull in question is one that for more than a century has been in
the possession of the International Mozarteum Foundation in Salzburg,
the elegant Austrian city where Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart was born on
Jan. 27, 1756.
Parson said genetic material from scrapings from the skull was
analyzed and compared to DNA samples gathered in 2004 from the thigh
bones of Mozart's maternal grandmother and a niece. The bones were
recovered when a Mozart family grave was opened in 2004 at Salzburg's
Sebastian Cemetery.
Mozart died in 1791 and was buried in a pauper's grave at Vienna's St.
Mark's Cemetery. The location of the grave was initially unknown, but
its likely location was determined in 1855.
The grave on that spot is adorned by a column and a sad-looking angel.
Legend has it that a gravedigger who knew which body was Mozart's at
some point sneaked the skull out of the grave. Through different
channels, the skull - which is missing its lower jaw - came to the
Mozarteum in Salzburg in 1902, according to Dr. Stephan Pauly, the
foundation's director.
The foundation, a private nonprofit organization that works to
preserve Mozart's legacy, was founded in 1880 by Salzburg residents
and made the skull available for the DNA tests.
The skull long has fascinated experts: In 1991, a French scholar who
examined it made the startling - though unconfirmed - conclusion
that
Mozart may have died of complications of a head injury rather than
rheumatic fever as most historians believe.
Anthropologist Pierre-Francois Puech of the University of Provence
based his belief on a fracture he found on the skull's left temple.
Mozart, he theorized, may have sustained it in a fall, and that would
help explain the severe headaches the composer was said to have
suffered more than a year before his death.
Austria has designated 2006 a Mozart jubilee year, with dozens of
events in Salzburg, Vienna and elsewhere to commemorate his 250
birthday.
___
International Mozarteum Foundation: http://www.mozarteum.at
Arthur Ness
2006-01-14 09:27:47 UTC
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/4593728.stm

The tests were inconclusive.

Happy New Year to you, too, Steve.

ajn.
Post by Arthur Ness
In the 19th century when the body was exhumed from the graveyard and
reinterned in the sanctuary, the head was separated and kept for several
decades(?) for research purposes. It was measured and compared with the
famous Haussmann portrait, and it would seem that the Haussmann portrait
is a very good likeness. Perhaps better than what a forensic scientist
might do.
Considering what I have seen of forensic reconstructions, I expect that
it would be.

Happy New Year!

Steve
Post by Arthur Ness
There certainly have been lots of remains in circulation recently.
Newsthisevening isthatthe DNA tests on the "Mozart" skull were positive
for whatever they were attempting to prove.
Does anyone know where I can get the poster showing Mozart used to
advertise the Vienna Mozart Year. It's rather funny. When you're short
lived, or long lives, the anniversaries come close together. We just had
a Mozart year in 1991, and already we're off on another one in 2006.
Hence Mozart's expression on that poster.<g> "Not again!"
ajn.
Thought lists members may enjoy this. On a tangential note: does
anyone know where I can read the latest analysis of Bach's bones? Has
a forensic anthropologist tried to do a reconstruction of what Bach's
face looked like? I saw a program on the Learning Channel where a team
at an FBI crime lab reconstructed what a person may have looked like
using computer modeling software and the assistance of a forensic
anthropologist.
SDG,
Zach
By WILLIAM J. KOLE, Associated Press Writer Tue Jan 3, 1:04 PM ET
VIENNA, Austria - Have scientists found Mozart's skull? Researchers
said Tuesday they'll reveal the results of DNA tests in a documentary
film airing this weekend on Austrian television as part of a year of
celebratory events marking the composer's 250th birthday.
The tests were conducted last year by experts at the Institute for
Forensic Medicine in the alpine city of Innsbruck, and the
long-awaited results will be publicized in "Mozart: The Search for
Evidence," to be screened Sunday by state broadcaster ORF.
Past tests were inconclusive, but this time, "we succeeded in getting
a clear result," lead researcher Dr. Walther Parson, a renowned
forensic pathologist, told ORF. He said the results were "100 percent
verified" by a U.S. Army laboratory, but refused to elaborate.
The skull in question is one that for more than a century has been in
the possession of the International Mozarteum Foundation in Salzburg,
the elegant Austrian city where Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart was born on
Jan. 27, 1756.
Parson said genetic material from scrapings from the skull was
analyzed and compared to DNA samples gathered in 2004 from the thigh
bones of Mozart's maternal grandmother and a niece. The bones were
recovered when a Mozart family grave was opened in 2004 at Salzburg's
Sebastian Cemetery.
Mozart died in 1791 and was buried in a pauper's grave at Vienna's St.
Mark's Cemetery. The location of the grave was initially unknown, but
its likely location was determined in 1855.
The grave on that spot is adorned by a column and a sad-looking angel.
Legend has it that a gravedigger who knew which body was Mozart's at
some point sneaked the skull out of the grave. Through different
channels, the skull - which is missing its lower jaw - came to the
Mozarteum in Salzburg in 1902, according to Dr. Stephan Pauly, the
foundation's director.
The foundation, a private nonprofit organization that works to
preserve Mozart's legacy, was founded in 1880 by Salzburg residents
and made the skull available for the DNA tests.
The skull long has fascinated experts: In 1991, a French scholar who
examined it made the startling - though unconfirmed - conclusion
that
Mozart may have died of complications of a head injury rather than
rheumatic fever as most historians believe.
Anthropologist Pierre-Francois Puech of the University of Provence
based his belief on a fracture he found on the skull's left temple.
Mozart, he theorized, may have sustained it in a fall, and that would
help explain the severe headaches the composer was said to have
suffered more than a year before his death.
Austria has designated 2006 a Mozart jubilee year, with dozens of
events in Salzburg, Vienna and elsewhere to commemorate his 250
birthday.
___
International Mozarteum Foundation: http://www.mozarteum.at
DJ
2006-01-06 22:18:13 UTC
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Mozart's Skull

Amadeus, decomposer,
has for scholars struck a poser.
Science says his head, now deaf,
can tell us more beyond the clef.
Pick his bones, snare his hair,
his spirit's gone, so what's to care?


Even so his bones and teeth,
if brought to life and made to breath,
still would someday take their leave,
no more to laugh, or play, or grieve.
No more to grace us with a note
to follow on the last he wrote.

So in the end we patiently
must wait to pierce the mystery.
For what we are and what we're for,
if answered in the aftermore
where all such answers dwell, some hope,
cannot be be reached by microscope.

Daniel Jencka
Charles Woods
2006-01-09 14:13:24 UTC
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thank you! Wonderful sentiment.... cw
Post by DJ
Mozart's Skull
Amadeus, decomposer,
has for scholars struck a poser.
Science says his head, now deaf,
can tell us more beyond the clef.
Pick his bones, snare his hair,
his spirit's gone, so what's to care?
Even so his bones and teeth,
if brought to life and made to breath,
still would someday take their leave,
no more to laugh, or play, or grieve.
No more to grace us with a note
to follow on the last he wrote.
So in the end we patiently
must wait to pierce the mystery.
For what we are and what we're for,
if answered in the aftermore
where all such answers dwell, some hope,
cannot be be reached by microscope.
Daniel Jencka
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